There is a line from John Adams of which conservatives, particularly those of a moralistic bent, are fond: “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.” The surrounding prose is quoted much less frequently, and it is stern stuff dealing with one of Adams’s great fears — one that is particularly relevant to this moment in our history.
John Adams hated democracy and he feared what was known in the language of the time as “passion.” Adams’s famous assessment: “I do not say that democracy has been more pernicious on the whole, and in the long run, than monarchy or aristocracy. Democracy has never been and never can be so durable as aristocracy or monarchy; but while it lasts, it is more bloody than either.” Democracy, he wrote, “never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. It is in vain to say that democracy is less vain, less proud, less selfish, less ambitious, or less avaricious than aristocracy or monarchy. It is not true, in fact, and nowhere appears in history. Those passions are the same in all men, under all forms of simple government, and when unchecked, produce the same effects of fraud, violence, and cruelty.”
Quote: PzLdr wrote in post #2Adams' administration passed the Alien and Sedition Acts. When the rubber hit the road, his principles weren't all that high flying.
Quote: PzLdr wrote in post #2Adams' administration passed the Alien and Sedition Acts. When the rubber hit the road, his principles weren't all that high flying.
OK....but what about this topic?
The U.S government was designed to be an oligarchy. None of the Founders trusted democracy. America took its inspiration from Rome. Rome took its inspiration from Sparta. However, that model quickly frayed with [a] the rise of political parties, the ascension of Andy Jackson, the 14th Amendment, the 17th [?] Amendment, that provided direct election of Senators, the expanse of the franchise to include women, a series of USSC cases, etc.
In other words, the design barely survived the creation. And the reference to the Alien and Sedition Acts was intended to show how one political persuasion in power [the Federalists] was willing to use the law to suppress, not the passionate rabble, but the other political faction, the then called Republicans, which included Jefferson, Madison and Monroe.
America hasn't been a Republic since the end of the Civil War. Once Oliver Wendell Holmes and the Boys decided the Constitution was a 'living' document, It hasn't been a Constitutional anything. Now one can argue that being ruled by the Supreme court may protect us from...whatever, but it was not what the Founders intended.
Indeed, they didn't envisage political parties [factions]. It appears they thought it would work better than Rome, but along similar grounds. That pipe dream lasted through Washington's first term only
And I wouldn't focus on Trump. I'm pretty sure they'd feel the same way about everybody running these days. Bu then again, I'm a Trump supporter, not a Cruz supporter. So for me the headline would read differently.
I seem to recall The Big Guy (no, not Donald) having a lot of the same concerns when he plugged "free will" into his grand experiment.
@Sanguine, all kidding aside...very good post and worthy of time I don't have tonight. Will try to come back to this one over the weekend when the grandkidlets are not here and I can actually think.
Quote: PzLdr wrote in post #2Adams' administration passed the Alien and Sedition Acts. When the rubber hit the road, his principles weren't all that high flying.
OK....but what about this topic?
The U.S government was designed to be an oligarchy. None of the Founders trusted democracy. America took its inspiration from Rome. Rome took its inspiration from Sparta. However, that model quickly frayed with [a] the rise of political parties, the ascension of Andy Jackson, the 14th Amendment, the 17th [?] Amendment, that provided direct election of Senators, the expanse of the franchise to include women, a series of USSC cases, etc.
In other words, the design barely survived the creation. And the reference to the Alien and Sedition Acts was intended to show how one political persuasion in power [the Federalists] was willing to use the law to suppress, not the passionate rabble, but the other political faction, the then called Republicans, which included Jefferson, Madison and Monroe.
America hasn't been a Republic since the end of the Civil War. Once Oliver Wendell Holmes and the Boys decided the Constitution was a 'living' document, It hasn't been a Constitutional anything. Now one can argue that being ruled by the Supreme court may protect us from...whatever, but it was not what the Founders intended.
Indeed, they didn't envisage political parties [factions]. It appears they thought it would work better than Rome, but along similar grounds. That pipe dream lasted through Washington's first term only
And I wouldn't focus on Trump. I'm pretty sure they'd feel the same way about everybody running these days. Bu then again, I'm a Trump supporter, not a Cruz supporter. So for me the headline would read differently.
Thanks. nice summary. You mentioned some interesting points that are not mentioned often..
One of my pet peeves, although I am guilty of it myself, is calling our constitutional Republic a democracy.
I have not heard of Holmes connection to a living constitution before. I have to look it up.
Illegitimi non Carborundum
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.