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#1 | Western countries alarmed as Libya slides towards chaos datum

Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:47 am

Another triumph for the Obama foreign policy, Hillary assisting.

ROME (Reuters) - Western countries voiced concern on Thursday that tensions in Libya could slip out of control in the absence of a functioning political system, and they urged the government and rival factions to start talking.

Two-and-a-half years after the fall of former leader Muammar Gaddafi, the oil-rich North African state is struggling to contain violence between rival forces, with Islamist militants gaining an ever-stronger grip on the south of the country.

"The situation in Libya is very worrying," French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius told reporters on the margins of a conference in Rome to discuss the Libyan crisis.

He said the uncertain security position, especially in the south, worsened an unstable political situation which required Libyan political forces to come together to reach a solution.

"We are asking the Libyans to talk to each other and to find a stable solution," he said.

The conference in Rome was overshadowed by the crisis in Ukraine, with a hectic round of bilateral talks at the margins culminating in a 40-minute meeting between U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.

But with violent disputes between rival tribal factions disrupting exports of Libyan oil, the lack of a stable political foundation is causing growing concern for energy-hungry western countries, several of which were involved in overthrowing the Gaddafi government.

"It's incredibly important for the simple reason that oil is clearly a key driver of the economy," said Hugh Robertson, a junior minister in Britain's Foreign Office. "As long as the economy remains depressed that means there are a lot of young people in Libya for whom there is no real viable future inside a new democratic state of Libya."

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The weak government in Tripoli is struggling to control well-armed former anti-Gaddafi rebels and Islamist militias, while parliament was stormed by protestors at the weekend who blamed the politicians for the growing chaos.

http://news.yahoo.com/western-countries-...vcwMzBHNlYwNzcg--

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#2 | RE: Western countries alarmed as Libya slides towards chaos datum

Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:07 am

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�The Marxians love of democratic institutions was a stratagem only, a pious fraud for the deception of the masses. Within a socialist community there is no room left for freedom.�
¯ Ludwig von Mises

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#3 | RE: Western countries alarmed as Libya slides towards chaos datum

Sat Mar 08, 2014 6:22 am

Another foreign policy f*ck up brought to you by the firm of Leeding, Bye and Behind.

Oderint Dum Metuant

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#4 | RE: Western countries alarmed as Libya slides towards chaos datum

Sat Mar 08, 2014 9:38 am

Quote: Cincinnatus wrote in post #1
Another triumph for the Obama foreign policy, Hillary assisting.
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http://news.yahoo.com/western-countries-...vcwMzBHNlYwNzcg--

If you evaluate it in terms of Obama's and Hillary's ultimate objective, yes a triumph.

If you evaluate it in terms of the actual Libyan people and their African guest workers not so much.

The 'kinetic military action to address a humanitarian crisis and support a revolution' was a good ol' Cloward Piven strategy in action. [Cloward-Piven Strategy of creating a crisis and then using that crisis to advance a political agenda]
http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/belt...military-action

Illegitimi non Carborundum

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#5 | RE: Western countries alarmed as Libya slides towards chaos datum

Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:34 pm

Quote: algernonpj wrote in post #4
Quote: Cincinnatus wrote in post #1
Another triumph for the Obama foreign policy, Hillary assisting.
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http://news.yahoo.com/western-countries-...vcwMzBHNlYwNzcg--

If you evaluate it in terms of Obama's and Hillary's ultimate objective, yes a triumph.

If you evaluate it in terms of the actual Libyan people and their African guest workers not so much.

The 'kinetic military action to address a humanitarian crisis and support a revolution' was a good ol' Cloward Piven strategy in action. [Cloward-Piven Strategy of creating a crisis and then using that crisis to advance a political agenda]
http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/belt...military-action

Toward Chaos or Domination?

What these people are calling chaos is simply the migration toward the only system of government that these savage people will tolerate. Strong arm rule is the only form that works. It will be the ruling strong man from the strongest faction.

We gave these Cretins so much undeserved credit, as if their society was enlightened enough to appreciate any value in tolerating a minority position. Strong arming dissenters via outright domination! This has been their accepted way of doing business and the ONLY system they know, want or respect. Let it be up to them to prove otherwise. Until then I am a huge skeptic.

Our ONLY interest is to covertly promote the right strong man, as much as we can. Let's stop goofing around with this one man one vote principle. That's rubbish over there and it will every time result in Sharia law and minority oppression.

Duh!!! We tried, they simply don't want democracy.

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#6 | RE: Western countries alarmed as Libya slides towards chaos datum

Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:38 am

Quote: ThirstyMan wrote in post #5
Quote: algernonpj wrote in post #4
Quote: Cincinnatus wrote in post #1
Another triumph for the Obama foreign policy, Hillary assisting.
...............................................
http://news.yahoo.com/western-countries-...vcwMzBHNlYwNzcg--

If you evaluate it in terms of Obama's and Hillary's ultimate objective, yes a triumph.

If you evaluate it in terms of the actual Libyan people and their African guest workers not so much.

The 'kinetic military action to address a humanitarian crisis and support a revolution' was a good ol' Cloward Piven strategy in action. [Cloward-Piven Strategy of creating a crisis and then using that crisis to advance a political agenda]
http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/belt...military-action

Toward Chaos or Domination?

What these people are calling chaos is simply the migration toward the only system of government that these savage people will tolerate. Strong arm rule is the only form that works. It will be the ruling strong man from the strongest faction.

We gave these Cretins so much undeserved credit, as if their society was enlightened enough to appreciate any value in tolerating a minority position. Strong arming dissenters via outright domination! This has been their accepted way of doing business and the ONLY system they know, want or respect. Let it be up to them to prove otherwise. Until then I am a huge skeptic.
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IMHO we ought not even have tried. I'm a big fan of walking softly, carrying a big stick, and making certain that those who would do us harm are fully aware the we have no problem using the big stick.

The kindest thing I can say about the policies of our elites in the Middle East is that they haven't a clue and are unable or unwilling to learn from experience. OTH these are people who are not stupid nor are they naive

Zitat
Bernard Lewis, the renowned Islamic scholar, believes that at the root of the protests sweeping across our region is the Arab peoples� widespread sense of injustice
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/....aspx?id=209770

The Arab world has no concept of freedom or 'democracy' as we define it. They are quite comfortable with rule by Shura, councils of 'experts' or technocrats,

Zitat
You have this traditional system of consultation with groups which are not democratic as we use that word in the Western world, but which have a source of authority other than the state � authority which derives from within the group, whether it be the landed gentry or the civil service, or the scribes or whatever.
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/....aspx?id=209770

The root of the Arab spring protests was widespread sense of injustice, i.e. corruption, not a desire the have western style freedom .

Complicating the situation, the statists who would rule over us on a global level and Islamists who would institute a global caliphate under sharia are natural allies whose political systems consist of big, intrusive, micro-managing government ruled by teams of bureaucrats / technocrat / specialists.

There are documented links among Global Communism, Nazism, the New World Order (Globalism / Internationalism), and the the resurrection of Militant Islam in the early 1900's.
The Crusades Reconsidered

Illegitimi non Carborundum

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