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"In an expression of extraordinary magnanimity, relatives of the black church members murdered in Charleston, S.C., arose one after the other to tell Dylann Roof, the murderer of their loved ones, that they forgive him.

That I do not agree with what they did in no way diminishes my ability to be moved by their gesture.

But I do not agree with it.

First, consistent with my religion, Judaism, I do not believe that anyone but the actual victim has the right to forgive someone for the evil they have inflicted. If I steal from you, you have the right to forgive me, but your best friend doesn't. If Jones rapes my daughter, my daughter can forgive Jones, but I cannot. Among other reasons, I don't own my daughter, and, as pained as I would be, I wasn't the person raped.

Many Christians believe that their faith demands forgiveness of everyone for everything. I don't know why they believe this. Certainly that is not standard Catholic or Protestant doctrine. Nor is Christ the model for this idea. He forgave those who crucified him, not all those who crucified others.

Second, I am not aware of Roof having repented. And even God Himself doesn't forgive those who never repent...."

http://townhall.com/columnists/dennispra...l&newsletterad=


Oh, this is good. Very good.

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Yes it is.

"The families of the murdered blacks speak eloquently and movingly about preferring forgiveness to feeling anger and hate toward a man who murdered their loved ones just days ago. But millions of blacks seem to prefer feeling anger and hate toward a vast number of their fellow Americans who have never wronged them or any other black American. Indeed, most American whites don't even have ancestors who ever wronged blacks."

Reminds me of this quote from Ben Carson on Charleston:
""I hope we the American people can come to the understanding that we are not each other's enemies," Carson stated. "The enemies are those who are stoking the flames of division trying to divide us in every category and weakening us as a society.""
http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/06/18/be...matter-not-guns